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I'll delete this diary if it has been posted before, but this is really strange...NYTimes editor-reporter David Rosenbaum was killed over the weekend in one of the nicest and safest areas of DC...

This is really strange and sad.


N.Y. Times Editor-Reporter Dies After Attack in NW
Police Searching for Clues in Robbery

By Martin Weil and Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, January 9, 2006; B01

David E. Rosenbaum, a longtime editor and reporter in the Washington bureau of the New York Times, died yesterday after being beaten and robbed Friday night near his home in upper Northwest Washington.

Rosenbaum, 63, died at Howard University Hospital, where he was treated for a head injury suffered during the attack on Gramercy Street NW, said Philip Taubman, chief of the Times's Washington bureau.



Originally posted to Volvo Liberal on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:12 PM PST.

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  •  It makes you wonder. (4.00)
    'nuff said.

    NO PARDONS FOR TRAITORS. -3.75, -5.49

    by Bob on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:15:13 PM PST

    •  yep (none)
      makes me wonder.

      just like, stolen Iraqi film reel, or dead reporters in Iraq.

      •  Thieves don't kill you . . . (none)
        they take your money.

        This is rule number one of being a thief.

        •  Assassins don't hit you in the head (none)
          They shoot you and you're dead before you hit the ambulance.

          Torture, spying on citizens, war on false pretenses. We're one long line for toilet paper away from becoming the USSR.

          by nightsweat on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 09:20:41 AM PST

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          •  They might hit you in the head (none)
            It all depends on what message they want to send. Gangsters have many creative methods of killing intended to terrify and terrorize those they wish to control. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but it's wrong to say that this wasn't a hit just because the victim was beaten to death.
            •  But he wasn't (none)
              He was beaten NEARLY to death and left to die.  Big difference.  If you're a professional, you make sure your victim is dead.  Back over him.  Hit him two more times.

              It may have been an intimidation beating that went a step too far, but it wasn't a hit.

              Torture, spying on citizens, war on false pretenses. We're one long line for toilet paper away from becoming the USSR.

              by nightsweat on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 11:43:25 AM PST

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    •  all this tin-foil hattery (none)
      wow.  i frankly don't know what to make of the tin-foil hat-tery going on in here.

      you guys raise some interesting connections - will it lead somewhere or not i don't know but this is the America Bushco has brought us into.  

      one where we are suspicious of everything.  & why not?

      just a year ago i would've thought you guys were nuts but after Homeland Security alerts are elevated everytime Bush needed some help in the elections, after WMDs, after no bid-contracts to Halliburton, after Abramoff, after we find out Americans are being spyed on by our own government, AFTER ALL THIS SHIT, HOW CAN YOU NOT BE SUSPICIOUS??

      i really don't know where this will go, but PLEASE DON'T STOP.

      don't slander.  don't jump to conclusions & sabotage your case or make shit up.  but turn every rock over guys.  you're all patriots.

      •  A couple of callers phoned in to C-SPAN (4.00)
        yesterday while Mona Charen and some liberal were debating the warrantless snooping.  They said they heard strange clicks on their phones, and suspected they were being tapped.

        Mona Charen made a crack about people being paranoid.  But nobody made the point that just the fact that people were reacting in this way to the news of the warrantless snooping, whether it was reasonable or not, in itself showed substantial harm resulting from the program.

  •  That is weird (4.00)
    If that's a safe area of DC...

    What kind of stuff was Rosenbaum working on and did any of it involve Katrinagate, Spygate, Abramoffgate, Fristgate, Delaygate, or yet another about to break piece of bad news for the Chimperor?

    Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

    by madhaus on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:15:58 PM PST

    •  Very safe (4.00)
      Anyone who knows NW Washington knows that how safe that area is...I lived a few blocks from there for a few years...That area has ZERO crime...

      I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

      by Volvo Liberal on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:18:18 PM PST

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      •  Hard for a getaway car (none)
        Given the curvy streets, dead-ends and numerous street lights/stop signs in that area, it isn't the best place for random street crime, which usually benefits from easy get-a-ways...Connecticut Ave. is a major thoroughfare, but up there, it's hardly a place to make a quick escape...

        weird...very weird....

        I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

        by Volvo Liberal on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:43:22 PM PST

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        •  I donno about that... (4.00)
          Looking at Qwest Dex, there is only one "Rosenbaum David E", and he's listed at 3824 Harrison St., NW Washington DC, which matches the description of the area in the article.  Gramercy St. is the other side of the block that his house is on.

          Looking at Google Maps (or better yet, Google Earth), I don't really see any curvy streets or dead-ends in the area.  Seems just as easy to make an escape there as anywhere else.

          The hills are a bit to the east, but there are some dense urban areas not too far away.  A few blocks to the south is Fort Reno Park, a large park at the highest point in Washington D.C., which seems like it might be a magnet for shady people hanging out at night.  Apparently they have concerts there in the summer.

          Not being familiar with the neighborhood at all it's hard for me to know, but it seems there's just as much chance for a robbery-turned-fatal in that neighborhood as any other.

          Not that this doesn't bear a more-thorough-than-usual investigation and following very closely, I'd just be cautious about reaching for the tinfoil hat.  :)

          •  I jog down Reno Rd. most weekend days, (none)
            passing a little over a block from the site of the murder.  And that is indeed a very safe area (although it can be rather deserted after dark.)

            There is now road construction going on on Reno Rd.  That means two things.  One, it would make a getaway harder, since traffic is now only allowed one way now.  Two, however, there is now considerably less traffic on Reno Rd. than there normally is, making the area even more deserted.

          •  Million $ Neighborhood (none)
            According to the [DC Asserror's Office] the house has an assessed value of $1,148,000. My understanding is that in the District market value is much higher than the assessed value.

            At any rate, it is a neighborhood one would expect to be safe.

          •  Why Howard U. Hospital? (none)
            I would think Sibley or Georgetown would be closer.

            Are you free? Me'shell Ndegeocello

            by DemInCville on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 07:29:47 AM PST

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          •  It's pretty safe there (none)
            Fort Reno, eh, you might have some young punk rock kids, that's about it.  :)  It's a very, very safe and quiet part of the city.  I was pretty stunned that something like this would happen there.  It's very weird.  You'd think if someone is out there to do a robbery there'd be a house break-in, not a smash and grab..
        •  not quite (none)
          I lived in this part of Washington D.C. for a while in 2001-2002.

          Though one would have to use caution on some of the smaller side streets, it would have been extraordinarily easy for an attacker familiar with the area to have to gone up Nebraska Avenue and across Military Road to the east, until they were in Prince George's County or NE D.C. Also, since this happened at night, which doesn't work in favor of easily identifying a getaway car.

      •  but also... (4.00)
        anyone who lives in NW washington should also know, safety should not be taken for granted anywhere in dc.

        i live in what could be argued is also a very safe area. yet, last year a graduate student from georgetown was mugged, was hit in the head and has been in a coma ever since from a bleed in his brain. and a few people have been stabbed during robberies.

        •  a warning well-heeded (none)
          Living in the Washington D.C. area myself, I want to echo the sentiment of your warning. While I would say that Upper NW is generally a "safe" area, a lot of residents have become complacent in that assumption and don't take adequate safety precautions, especially at night. A D.C. cop I met at a party once told me that people walking around Upper NW at night are "at as much risk of getting mugged, if not more, than they would be in east downtown or Capitol Hill."
    •  Not only that..... (4.00)
      but were his phone conversations being monitored without his knowledge and without a warrant by someone who didn't want him to break a story?
      •  asdf (4.00)
        and going out for a walk to get some fresh air?
        Is this something he always does, I wonder? Or going out to meet a source with the lure of some documentation?

        I live a few miles from that neighborhood, it is indeed safe, totally upper middle class. What are the chances that some thief would happen upon a man that randomly decides to take a brisk walk?

        Something aint right.

        •  Also... (none)
          Even assuming that robbers don't have even a shred of conventional wisdom (You can have steaks only once but you can milk a cow every day), it is an extremely odd crime for a high-class neighbourhood. If something like this were to happen in a ghetto it would be unfortunate but not unheard of; in such a neighbourhood, however... foul play, perhaps? Well, foul in a political sense, anyway.
      •  the "FIRSTFRUITS" program (4.00)
        Wayne Madsen has been writing about an NSA surveillance program aimed at journalists, called Firstfruits.  (Madsen is a former NSA employee.)

        According to a Jan 5 entry on Madsen's blog:

        Code named "FIRSTFRUITS," the database is operated by the Denial and Deception (D&D) unit within SID. High priority is given to articles written as a result of possible leaks from cleared personnel.


        In order that the database did not violate United States Signals Intelligence Directive (USSID) 18, which specifies that the names of "U.S. persons" are to be deleted through a process known as minimization, the names of subject journalists were blanked out. However, in a violation of USSID 18, certain high level users could unlock the database field through a super-user status and view the "phantom names" of the journalists in question.  Some of the "source" information in FIRSTFRUITS was classified--an indication that some of the articles in the database were not obtained through open source means.


        In addition, outside agencies and a "second party," Great Britain's Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), are permitted to access the journalist database.


        Currently, in addition to NSA and GCHQ, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) routinely access the database....

        In addition to [Washington Times reporter Bill] Gertz, other journalists who feature prominently in the database include Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker, author and journalist James Bamford, James Risen of The New York Times, Vernon Loeb of The Washington Post, John C. K. Daly of UPI, and this journalist [Wayne Madsen].

        As I understand it, this program began as a legitimate system to keep track of possible leaks of classified intelligence information.  Hard to know what it is used for under Bushco.

        I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain

        by vinifera on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 05:55:37 AM PST

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      •  I wonder... (none)
        I wonder if his last email was the Judith Miller... </snark>

        Giggity giggity giggity...Iraq's a Quagmire

        by TexasDemocrat on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 07:21:50 AM PST

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    •  The link says that he was retired (none)
      though still contributing, with his latest stuff being about Social Security. Not really much cloak and daggar stuff there, it seems.

      Who knows what he may have been working on, and I'm sure some here (and may God bless the souls of the people who do real work here) will do some digging to see if there's anything worthwhile.

      NO PARDONS FOR TRAITORS. -3.75, -5.49

      by Bob on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:20:22 PM PST

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      •  It also mentioned that (none)
        a week after he retired he went right back to doing freelance reporting.    Since he WAS DC bureau chief, I wonder if he got a whiff of something he wanted to chase down and didn't want to risk the Times sitting on it for a year....

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:18:19 AM PST

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      •  Social Security is a BIG DEAL. (none)

        Spending out-of-control & massive debt, selling our public lands! How long before Bushco files for bankruptcy?

        by mattes on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 09:03:30 AM PST

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    •  Alito articles, too... (4.00)
      A link to blog discussions of his  NYT articles.
      And Google link for David E. Rosenbaum New York Times.

      Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

      by ilona on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:26:02 PM PST

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      •  His final article, from what I can tell... (4.00)
        On Alito + NSA wiretapping scandal: Alito Memo in '84 Favored Immunity for Top Officials. December 24, 2005.

        Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

        by ilona on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:36:59 PM PST

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        •  NOW YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING. (4.00)
          Reporters shouldn't have any questions about what stories to avoid writing about, eh?

          How convenient.

          NO PARDONS FOR TRAITORS. -3.75, -5.49

          by Bob on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:48:11 PM PST

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          •  He also wrote an article on the 20th (4.00)
            of Dec. that put the hurt on Bush's statements about his right to wiretap domestically...

            and the one above... it's a total smackdown on Alito.

            Just based on the article alone... Alito appears to be a ridiculous nominee... and it's so obvious that Bush is puting him in to protect himself in the wiretap issue...

            they want to use this case to reshape Executive Power.

            And when you look back on Rosenbaum's articles...

            they almost all focus on the crime du jour of the Bush Administration.

            Now... we don't have to assume that George W. Bush called out a hit on this guy to assume that some Republican whacko did.

            And quite frankly, looking at the current political situation and the articles Rosenbaum was doing... I find it more likely that some Rethug called out the hit... than that some random robber killed him.

            And personally, I don't think its unlikely at all that Dick Cheney or George Bush called out the hit directly. They're just as capable of doing it as any other of the countless Iran-Contra Republican psychos now in office.

            U.S. blue collar vs. CEO income in 1992 was 1:80; in 1999 it was 1:475.

            by Lode Runner on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:59:16 PM PST

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            •  If this was a hit meant to look like a mugging, (none)
              then whoever ordered it had to be able to tell people who could convincingly act like street thugs what to do.
              •  Who...... (4.00)
                ...better qualified to tell people how to act like a thug than a Thug?

                Things fall apart-the center cannot hold...The best lack all conviction While the worst are full of passionate intensity (-9.25\-7.54)

                by kestrel9000 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:36:56 AM PST

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            •  There was a similar attack (none)
              About two months Ago on a Capitol Hill Staffer

              Although the attack  somewhat different there are several similarities  including

              1. Location: the attack took place in an area where violent crime is nearly unknown, and where there haven't been any incidents since

              2. MO: The NyTimes article is somewhat light on details but reading between the lines with a mdicum of medical knowledge it appears clear thaat Rosebaum suffered blunt force trauma to the head, which would be consistent with the baseball bat used in the first attack.

              something ain't right here.....

              Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

              by Magorn on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:27:37 AM PST

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              •  yes, it was a similar MO (4.00)
                It looks like a perp may have graduated from assailant to murderer.

                I really don't know, but this isn't just anybody that got murdered, here. It's quite ugly, even from a great distance.

                In this dearth of facts, given the facts we have, it seems likely (more probable than not) that a party connected to the Abramoff scandal in some way is now ready to kill, caveman style, to keep secrets secret.

                •  Hell it could even be (none)
                  an over-eager amatuer.   I mean, with the rhetoric that Rush and O'Reilly, and even so-called "responsible" Republican leaders sling around these days; ("anybody who disagrees with the president is helping the terrorists",  "Reporting offical misdeeds is a form of Treason")  it's not too much of a stretch to believe that one of their more mouth-breathing disciples decided to do his part for the "war on Terra" on the homefront with a baseball bat.

                  Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

                  by Magorn on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:43:05 AM PST

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  •  Tin foil time (none)
    Who's staffer was beaten up outside their home?
    •  Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) (4.00)
      DKos tagged diaries for DiSanto

      She is the chief investigator of the Senate Finance Committee. Two days later there was a bomb threat at a VA Home Grassley was scheduled to appear at in Marshalltown, Iowa.

      And from the Liberty Post article:

      Grassley is known for his aggressive oversight of the public and private sector. Over the past year, he has scrutinized healthcare fraud, organ-donation procedures used by hospitals, drug-safety matters and the use of nonprofit groups related to former lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

      (sentence was bolded in article)

      Things that make you go hmmm.

      No recent updates that I could find.

      Bush - the ultimate example of the Peter Principle.

      by PatsBard on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:52:14 PM PST

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      •  Wait a minute here. (none)
        What going on here....The Alito+NSA+AttnGen article is damning on many, many fronts. It kills several birds w/ one hot stone. Then who's staffer was assaulted? When? What is the relationship between the assaulted staffer, the chief investigator and Grassley? Am I confusing pronouns? I want to understand what we're noticing here.

        That article was hell on the admin's terms. How retired was he? Why was he reporting on this? If I were Adam Liptak (co-author) I'd be very worried right now.

        •  Liptak (none)
          Legal corespondent for the Times. He used to be their senior counsel.

          -7.00,-7.74 No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. -- Edward R Murrow

          by subtropolis on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:58:42 PM PST

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        •  Emilia DiSanto (4.00)
          Was assaulted in November. She's Grassley's chief investigator (Senate Finance Committee).

          What is the relationship between the assaulted staffer, the chief investigator and Grassley?

          Grassley's Staffer = chief investigator = DiSanto.

          There is no known connection between her assault in November and Rosenbaum's attack and his subsequent death this weekend.

          Strangely coincidental, though, all things considered. If I were Liptak, I would be worried as well.

          Bush - the ultimate example of the Peter Principle.

          by PatsBard on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:10:52 AM PST

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          •  Thanks for the clarification. (none)
            I added more players than existed.

            No, I didn't think there was anything beyond the circumstantial on the two incidents, but, as you say, it is getting strange.

            In DiSanto's case, harming her could have been a way to stop something from occurring, motive-wise. With Rosenbaum, what would be the benefit? Again, just late-night thinking.  

          •  Grassley meets with whistleblowers (none)
            Whatever his politics, Grassley is really something else when it comes to whistleblower protection. It is one of his hallmarks for the Judiciary Committee.

            By whistleblower, think specifically of Sibel Edmonds.

            Also, other people who had trouble getting the time of day or any attention from the 911 commission.  Grassley's Judiciary staffer and a Democratic staffer would meet with them.

      •  According to the "Hill" (none)
        article, the FBI was called in to investigate only
        because the incident might be "work related."

        It's Dick's and George's world. We just have to live in it. Assholes!

        by hoplite9 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:26:39 AM PST

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      •  Sibel Edmonds. (4.00)
        Grassley has also been vocal in his support of Sibel Edmonds.
    •  A chronology of the Antrax attacks (4.00)
      During the time the Patriot Act was under debate, anthrax - DOMESTIC anthrax - was sent to Senate Majority leader Tom Daschle, and the man in charge of the Senate Judiciary Committee debating the legality of the act, Sen. Patrick Leahy. Also Feingold, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, do your own googling.

      "Death to America, Death to Israel, Allah is Great."
      How do Muslim extremists get ahold of anthrax manufactured at our own Ft. Detrick chemical warfare center?

      •  "How do Muslim extremists" (none)
        "get ahold of anthrax manufactured at our own Ft. Detrick chemical warfare center?"

        Through loophole in USA law that meant it was not strictly, technically, actually il-legal for American Type Culture Collection of Maryland, USA to sell and ship it to whoever placed an order...

        And a different lab, that I was working in back then, was trying to market sterile hoods and centrifuges to people from France, who took notes and home movies, during a week while, for some unexplained reason, the Flag of Israel was being displayed in the lobby next to the American one...

  •  Sorry to hear this (none)
    no area is ever 100% safe anymore
  •  interesting (none)
    On many levels.

    Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something. -- Thomas A. Edison

    by tvb on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:21:54 PM PST

  •  I am reminded of another DC reporter (4.00)
    who had published some unfavorable stories about the elder Bush.  His body was found along the Potomac, handcuffed, beaten, and shot 3 times.  The coroner said it was the worst case of suicide he'd ever seen.
  •  Covered overlap of Alito and NSA wiretap (3.95)
    He co-authored a story two weeks ago about Alito's effort to acquire immunity for senior White House officials who violate wiretapping restrictions.

    Alito's hearing starts tomorrow ...

    •  is this the starting shot (none)
      of 1 hell of a wk  mo yr  ?    tin foil out  .
      •  the opening shot (none)
        was a blue dress

        -7.00,-7.74 No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. -- Edward R Murrow

        by subtropolis on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:01:46 AM PST

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        •  as opposed to... (none)
          the shot on the blue dress. ;-)

          -8.25, -6.26 ain't "schadenfreude" if the bastards deserve it. this is infidelica...

          by snookybeh on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:49:14 AM PST

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        •  If you are going to go there ... (none)
           ... then the opening shot was the overwhelming defeat of Goldwater in 1964.  All of the Conservatives involved (and by conservative I mean white men who felt the need to keep women and non-whites from joining them at the feast) acknowledge that defeat as the event which started their movement (and by movement I mean the receipt of funding from that rich bruise Richard Mellon Scaife and other other lonely white men on the fringe right).  How that movement become, over the course of forty years, the potent organized criminal enterprise that now holds America in it's salivating maw is one for the books.  The titlles, though, are already written:
          . Bushism:  the marketing of thuggery as policy since 1935.
          . Oops!  The secret history of CIA death squads
          . Our Coast:  How Conservatives won the White House but destroyed the Republic;  and the evergreen
          .  Money Money Money Money Money Money Money:  You too can be a Republican.

          BushAmerica -- Now killing 24/7/365. *Your tax dollars at work*.

          by Yellow Canary on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:51:22 AM PST

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          •  Goldwater was a principled libertarian, (none)
            and would certainly not approve of what his movement has become.
            •  The whole conservative movement has been ... (none)
               ... radically perverted.  The "Contract w. America" conservatives wouldn't recognize or support what they have become.

              But America must now recognize that they are actively engaged in fascist illegal acts of national aggression, including kidnapping, torture, and individual and mass murder.

              I meant no slur against Goldwater.  My understanding -- admittedly newfound -- is that what might become known as "Bushism" coalesced out of the swirling dust and disappointment which was kicked up -- for some -- by Goldwater's defeat.

              BushAmerica -- Now killing 24/7/365. *Your tax dollars at work*.

              by Yellow Canary on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:52:08 AM PST

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    •  Timing? (4.00)
      Makes one wonder if David Rosenbaum was had got a hold of a whole trove of additional 'smoking gun'  Alito memos like the 1984 [spookie] document he wrote about two weeks ago ("Alito Memo in '84 Favored Immunity for Top Officials"), and someone feared he might be poised to dribble out a series of stories that would likely  sink the Alito SC nomination hearings.

      Ask yourself this:

      Are the Bushies capable of killing someone in order to get their robo-lawyer (get-out-of-jail-free) choice into the SC?

  •  tin foil hats (4.00)

    Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

    by Benito on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:27:25 PM PST

  •  beaten to death then robbed ? (none)
    in a great community .what was he wearing a 1/2 m dollar watch ? W T F, this needs to be looked at. given his profession & the times this may may be a example hit .
    •  Calm down...I just read on Editor and Publisher (none)
      that someone tried to use his credit card the morning after he was robbed. I don't think a hit would have done that..(he types, putting the tin foil down but keeping it close to his computer just incase he is wrong.)

      *"We are a Nation of Laws"-11th Circuit..why are our judges having to remind our government and our people of this?*

      by Chamonix on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:59:14 AM PST

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      •  I dunno (4.00)
        even an amateur would probably hesitate to use the credit card after a MURDER.  It's actually MORE suspicious.

        Where was Abramoff last night?

        "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

        by reef the dog on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 01:24:06 AM PST

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      •  Just drop the goodies somewhere (4.00)
        Joe Desperate picks up a lost credit card and either uses it or sells it.  Instant red herring.

        We must never lose it, or sell it, or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.

        by Fabian on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:59:38 AM PST

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      •  yeah (4.00)
        When I first read the story, that stuck out as something that a hitman wouldn't do. But then the tinfoil took over.. and I thought that's exactly what you would do if you wanted to make it look like a robbery. Plus if you're going to rob someone and you're going to use a stolen CC, you have to use it as fast as possible before the victim can cancel the card.
        •  As a recent victim (none)
          of credit card - well, my entire wallet was lifted RUIDNG the anti-war march on washington last september, - I can tell you that within an hour or so they had used my cards about 5 times - since I reported it, I didn't lose anything, but they do use them Fast...
      •  Why not? (none)
        Of course they would use his credit cards to make it appear to be a robbery. A botched robbery  because a good robbery the victim would not be dead.

        So of course they use the credit card. Makes complete sense.

      •  hate to don my tin foil hat, but (none)
        take the wallet, drop it in an area where someone is bound to find it and use it.
      •  I think they would (none)
        its a simple way to appear to  confirm the robbery motive and throw investigators off the trail.

          In fact, it makes it all the more suspcious.  I know a bit more than I should about the world of "re-processing" stolen goods thanks to a long  friendship  with a dilaudid  addict. Most Street muggers know to sell a "hot" card for $50 (the going rate may have changed by now)  instead of trying to  use it themselves.  Most Fences know enough to ship the card out of state or let it cool a while before trying to use it.

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:36:09 AM PST

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  •  Cell Phone records (4.00)
    perhaps this poor man's cell phone records could be obtained in the same way John Aravosis of obtained his own online for $110. Might be interesting to see who he was talking to lately...

    In arrogance the wicked persecute the poor- let them be caught in the schemes they have devised. -Psalm 10:2

    by chicagochristianleft on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:30:32 PM PST

  •  how sad for our nation.... (4.00)
    my initial response, as well, was "what did he know and when did he know it - and what was he going to tell..."

    this is the america that bush has brought us to...

  •  Let's huddle together (4.00)
    and fight off any chilling effects.

    The dark at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming age.

    by peeder on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:44:49 PM PST

  •  The simple fact that this story (4.00)
    immediately plants the seed in the minds of many rational people, that it is possible that our government may be surveilling and/or killing journalists says a fuck of a lot about the level this country has fallen to in six short years.

    Maybe there is nothing to it.  But my first thoughts, as a mostly reality based person, are that it makes one wonder.

    "Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joe Welch, taking down Sen. Joe McCarthy.

    by BostonJoe on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:51:05 PM PST

  •  General Location (none)

    This is certainly one of the tonier sections of DC.

  •  that's awful (none)
    and sad.

    Any idea for a motive?

    I re-did my website! See how pretty Daily Granola is now!

    by OrangeClouds115 on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 10:58:10 PM PST

    •  Yeah, it's already been done... (4.00)
      ..slightly different vain...

      Three Days of the Condor

      A CIA analyst uncovers plans to seize foreign, oil resources, only the scheme was concocted by subversives in his chain of command.  They then attempt to whack'em.

  •  NYTimes (none)
    It seems the NYTimes is downplaying it.  The article which is buried points to a robbery with no discussion on the neighborhood.  It is a standard obit for the most part.

    NYTimes website front page

    full article

    Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something. -- Thomas A. Edison

    by tvb on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:06:45 PM PST

  •  meanwhile in Iraq: (4.00)
    from The Guardian:

    US troops seize award-winning Iraqi journalist

    American troops in Baghdad yesterday blasted their way into the home of an Iraqi journalist working for the Guardian and Channel 4, firing bullets into the bedroom where he was sleeping with his wife and children.

    Ali Fadhil, who two months ago won the Foreign Press Association young journalist of the year award, was hooded and taken for questioning. He was released hours later.

    Dr Fadhil is working with Guardian Films on an investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme into claims that tens of millions of dollars worth of Iraqi funds held by the Americans and British have been misused or misappropriated.

    The troops told Dr Fadhil that they were looking for an Iraqi insurgent and seized video tapes he had shot for the programme. These have not yet been returned.

    I think we're gonna need a bigger roll of tin foil.

    (-6.88, -8.31)-- "fuck your war... and your president."--Snake Plissken

    by binFranklin on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:06:58 PM PST

    •  you know that someone in the pentagon or CIA (4.00)
      or the WH adm knows what the hell happened to the 9 billion in Iraq money that disappeared from Bremer's basement in CPA headquarters....

      At least I know that they know.....that kind of money doesn't disappear, even in the post invasion chaos of Iraq, without some top dogs having a hand in it.

    •  Uncle Jake Going To Move In With Us (4.00)
      I always like to distance myself from paranoid tin foil hat theories. I do this by attributing the paranoid theories to my Uncle Jake. I personally don't think that the neoconservatives were almost inviting a terrorist attack in 2001 to justify their agenda. My crazy Uncle Jake though, who wins more football pools than he should, thinks that they did. I personally don't think the 2004 election was rigged. My crazy Uncle Jake though, who had dozens of the XBOX 360 months ago, thinks it was.

      These are interesting times.  Looks like Uncle Jake is going to be staying in our spare room for quite a while.  

    •  asdf (none)
      Have you considered this as a diary?
    •  hell,the rate this country is going, (4.00)
      we're gonna need a friggin' tin foil TENT!

      [maybe we can get some extras left over from FEMA - i'm sure michael brown knows where to find 'em!]

  •  numerous of us have experienced (4.00)
    the same reaction - one of suspicion as to whether this man was killed for information he might have uncovered.

    why on EARTH would we feel this way?

    well, suspicion begets suspicion.  we are being watched, wiretapped, whisked from the saftey of our lives and thrown into secret prisons without charge and without representation.

    we are lied to, we are cheated and defrauded at the highest level.

    we are betrayed in our trust in all matters:  government, corporations, neighborhoods.

    our pension plans are simply gone - agreements made in good faith simply disappear in very bad faith decisions from our courts.

    we have become a society betrayed - a society devalued - a society lost in the darkness of those who turn out the lights to hide their illegal doings.

    maybe, FINALLY, we are waking up as a society - but the mesmering chant of the betrayer continues - the media decries that ALL are "doing it" in the name of fraud, not the name of truth or proof - yet america stands silently by - with the rare exception of the distant voice of the blogosphere.

    this makes me believe that as the chant grows louder, we are all at risk of having our voices stifled - we are at risk of having our words censored.  we are fighting for democracy on the very basic levels here - and we are fighting an uphill battle.

    that so many of us are immediately suspicious is a good sign - now we have to make the rest of america share those same suspicions - the same critical eye and mind.

    good luck to all of us!

  •  Ummm, no surprise. (4.00)
    ...the Bush Administratiuon regularly kills reporters.

    They blew up the Palestine Hotel, they tried to murder that Italian journalist woman, Bush recommended blowing up Al Jazeera, etc.  

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:23:37 PM PST

    •  The International Federation (4.00)
      of Journalists asked last spring for the UN to investigate why US troops have officially killed 18 journalists since the occupation began.

      Apparently the IFJ suspects that we're targeting journalists...

      I think we need to just recognize that Bush is at war here. With whom? Lots of people... some even live in the U.S. And he's going to kill whoever he needs to in order to win that war.

      If a few citizens have to die... well... so be it. They already made that decision when they let 911 happen.

      George Bush and Dick Cheney have simply stopped looking at the "small picture." I think we all need to recognize the they're now basically capable of almost anything they think they can get away with.

      U.S. blue collar vs. CEO income in 1992 was 1:80; in 1999 it was 1:475.

      by Lode Runner on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:43:27 PM PST

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  •  And I see (none)
    not three diaries after this, US soldiers were ordered to perform a hit on a famous Iraqi journalist.

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 11:27:21 PM PST

  •  Does anyone remember... (none)
    ...waaaaaay back in 2001, someone scared the bejeezus out of journalists by killing a tabloid photo editor. Other media outlets and a few senators were also targeted.

    The message was made and journalists understood what their role was to become for the next few years.

    The message from KKKarl is, "as ye sow, so shall ye reap."

  •  From 2003: Pentagon threatens to kill independent (none)
    From 2003: Pentagon threatens to kill independent journalists in Iraq

    Whatever method the U.S. military uses to monitor and 'lock onto' satellite 'phones not only did the threat described in the article above inhibit - as it was presumably intended to do - unembedded journalists from carrying out their work but it has also, led to a number of killings throughout Iraq. It would appear that whatever surveillance technique is (was?) being used tends (or tended) to treat satellite 'phone users as immediate HVTs (high value targets), a fact borne out by a number of seemingly inexplicable killings such as those of villagers and sheep smugglers in Dhib. What was the attack on Dhib about? The initial U.S. explanation was that they were targeting a convoy carrying Hussein and his sons. However, the sequence of the attack and who and where got attacked strongly suggests that it was the satellite 'phones that had triggered some alert somewhere and made targets of sheep smugglers. alabama is correct, I think, to surmise some 'eye in the sky' that selects targets and transmits instructions to U.S. military units. Unfortunately, whatever criteria are employed to identify and initiate action against targets they are apparently so promiscuous that the 'eye' may as well be blind to possibilities that there may be less sinister reasons for signals emanating from vehicles or buildings than the spotters seem to assume. As wedding parties and other unfortunates have discovered, the 'eye' may be 'all seeing' but it is certainly not 'all knowing'.

    Also see,

    An investigation of the US Army's firing at the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad on 8 April 2003.

  •  Wow..Thanks for posting... (none)
    Goodnight and Good Luck.

    *"We are a Nation of Laws"-11th Circuit..why are our judges having to remind our government of this?*

    by Chamonix on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:28:47 AM PST

  •  hope that (4.00)
    this is not too off-track, but as a newcomer to DKos, I'm wondering if the "suicide" of Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb in 2003 got much attention on this website.

    Of course he crossed the Bush machine big time, trying to demonstrate, through his "Dark Alliance" series, that the Bush family basically runs the coke industry vis a vis the CIA (no surprise, as they are sons of the Tories, who made their fortunes on opium).  Gary Webb allegedly killed himself by shooting himself twice in the head with a .38 (??!!).

    And of course the tinfoil hat extremists are not letting it lie, that Dr. Hunter Thompson (a) had prince Bandar move in next door in Aspen, (b) was subject of testimony by one of the kidnapped Bush Sr. pedophilia  victims, who said Thompson got a video possibly implicating the elder Bush's involvement in snuff porn, c) evidently was remotely involved with the Johnny Gosch incident (may or may not have been the childhood incarnation of Jeff Gannon) and (d) died of one very fishy suicide.

    "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither" ... Benjamin Franklin

    by stonemason on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 01:01:39 AM PST

    •  Gary Webb (none)
      committed suicide by shooting himself in the head twice?
    •  Even close friend and fellow conspiracy (none)
      theorist Mike Ruppert believes that Gary's death actually was a suicide. He'd been very deeply troubled for a long time because his career and credibility had been unjustly & relentlessly attacked by the MSM ever since he broke the CIA - crack connection.

      That said, given the history of the US & reporters over the last several years, I would hardly be surprised if for some reason this guy was offed by an insider.

      Like music? Check out my band:

      by lucid on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 09:03:16 AM PST

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  •  random paranoid thought (4.00)
    Assuming that this wasn't just a simple robbery, could it be revenge against NYT as an institution for breaking the wiretapping story, rather than against an individual reporter only loosely tied to the story?
  •  Breaking news!!!!!! (3.00)
    Karl Rove performed the hit, G. Gordon Liddy stood watch, and Ollie North drove the getaway car!!!!  Allwhile, the spirit of Nixon watched over the operation from below.....which is much more plausible than an argument that this was just another random robbery by a crack addict.

    "George Bush is the most brilliant man I have ever met." - Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers

    by dubyaisbrilliant on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 02:38:36 AM PST

  •  I am wearing my tinfoil hat (none)
    And there is a chill running down my spine!
  •  What a fucking shock (4.00)
    and that's all I'm going to say. What a fucking shock.

    Hope Kos is locking his doors at night. The rest of us should be too. Wouldn't hurt to exercise our second amendment rights too.

    Somebody really needs to tell the White House that "1984" is a cautionary tale, not a political guidebook.

    by jabbausaf on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:53:41 AM PST

  •  This was not an assassination. (4.00)
    If this was a hit, he would have been DOA at the scene.  No way a hit squad is going to leave the target breathing, no way.  

    Now, this COULD have been a warning that accidently went too far, but it wasn't a hit.


    •  Considering (4.00)
      how competent this administration is at everything else...

      I'm waiting to hear more information, like most of us here.  But it's perfectly normal for this to raise a red flag for any normal, thinking person.

      "Let him that would move the world first move himself." --Socrates

      by joanneleon on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 05:12:54 AM PST

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    •  Plumbers (none)
      Remember how "professionally" the root theft at the Watergate was handled.  With essentially the same people in charge.  These people are no more careful with their crimes than the average random mugger.

      There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right with America. -- Bill Clinton

      by ThirstyGator on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 07:26:57 AM PST

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    •  I agree. (none)
      The article says the man was 63.  I can see the intent being to beat the shit out of the guy to shut him up and scare off other people, but unfortunately it went too far and he could not survive the injuries.  My dad is around that age.  I wonder if he had grandchildren.

      If not for the cat,
      And the scarcity of cheese
      I could be content.
      --Jack Prelutsky

      by Reepicheep on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 07:58:40 AM PST

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  •  Easy enough to pay some toughs (4.00)
    A few hundred bucks to subsidize a risky foray into a well-patrolled neighborhood after a specific mark.

    What they do with the goods afterward (try and use a credit card) is on their time.

    And if they get shot by law enforcement while resisting arrest, so be it.

    It's never a good idea to keep assassins around.

    The problem with most tinfoil hat thinking

    It's not performed by people who really understand evil. :)

    Never let being humane get in the way of being human. And vice-versa.

    by cskendrick on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:15:16 AM PST

    •  ...and whether it looks professional or not... (4.00)
      matters not at all.  Warning or hit, it works either way.

      I'm starting to think tin foil is kind of fetching.

      In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher. Dalai Lama

      by leolabeth on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:28:34 AM PST

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  •  Move along now (none)
    nothing to see.

    All coincidental and if there are more similar situations, they, too, will just be random coincidence.  

    Move along, move along.....

    Healing BEGINS with impeachment...(-6.00/-4.10)

    by valeria on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:43:26 AM PST

  •  Did Rosenbaum have a blog or blog contact? (none)
    Just wondering if there were any tie-ins to the blogosphere, too.

    I'm thinking that if it's more than a coincidence, given his work on Alito & NSA, then perhaps he had another contact that could also be in danger.

  •  With all the talk about whether (3.40)
    Mr. Rosenbaum was assinated, it is no wonder the GOP has such an easy time having FOX America listen to their spin. The man was mugged, beaten and died two days later from his injuries.

    Let his family mourn w/o all this tinfoil hat shit.

    •  Yes... (none)
      Just back from DC and we went to this neighborhood.  Nice and affluent, as mentioned.  BUT there were also stories of increasing cime in the whole metropolitan area.  Perhaps the story is that criminals are coming in from Prince Georges County and mugging the "rich" people.  This sort of story can make us all look paranoid.  

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 05:15:43 AM PST

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  •  Awful (4.00)
    What awful news - I knew David Rosenbaum slightly in my DC days, and this is dreadful.  I don't like the slightly gleeful tone of this thread, I have to say - a man is dead, under awful circumstances, but was in all likelihood mugged, not assassinated.  There's not the slightest evidence of any political meaning in his death.  Please, don't dance on a decent man's grave like this.
    •  gleeful? (4.00)
      I don't see any glee.  I see a lot of speculation from people who don't want to believe it could possibly have gotten this bad.  I see a lot of people feeling uneasy that the thought of intentionality in this attack even crossed their mind--because even if things externally have not gotten that badm, internally many of us are struggling with a level of suspicion and paranoia that is frightening.

      I don't see anyone who wants the tinfoil interpretation to be true.  I don't see anyone claiming that, if our worst fears are true, that this would be a good thing for the Blue Team.

      I see no dancing here, and no glee.  Regardless of how and why David Rosenbaum was killed, we are all mourning his loss in different ways and for different reasons.

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. IMPEACH

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:00:50 AM PST

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      •  Maybe gleeful was the wrong word (none)
        but it still strikes me as a kind of opportunism to seize upon this man's death to build and elaborate on conspiracy theories.  Granted, I may be a little touchy because this is someone I actually knew - and I used to live pretty close to this neighborhood as well - but it just seems distasteful and disrespectful to a good reporter and writer who was a decent person.  That's all.
  •  Recently, the Times has been (none)
    coming out with a ton of shit on this administration.

    They haven't been stepping on toes, they've been dropping anvils on them.

    I have no doubt that this is a warning from Bushco.

    •  they're just trying to salvage what ever (none)
      is left in the shambled remains called reputation!
      •  Did they fire you? (none)
        I understand that employees who were laid off last year by the NYT are taking revenge in the blogs.

        We subscribe and this is without a doubt the best newspaper on the planet.

        •  never worked for the times... (none)
          but i am currently looking into real estate sales, specializing in transportion construction.

          i am going to be repping a great little span between manhattan and brooklyn, are you interested?  i can get it for you at a VERY good price!

          on a more serious note, where have you been?  my reference is to the shoddy reporting of one judity miller, the withholding of key NEWS regarding spying by the nsa for more than a year because of an election cycle!!!!!!!!!!!

          the times was my hometown paper for more than 30 years.  it once held the most esteemed ranking and prestigious place in american print - but after miller and the holding of critical information from the public that would possibly have resulted in a different election outcome, even you have to question whether this noteworthy tome is doing the job of a free press!

          i find that the news in foreign newspapers puts our print media to shame in the last few years.

          i mourn the loss of our media - and if we don't place the blame for the deterioration of that media in their laps, then we need to place the blame squarely in our own!

          •  to be perfectly clear, the above two (none)
            incidents to which i refer are separate, independent issues - not related to each other except under the  same editorial board.
          •  You don't read the NYT (none)
            They've been bashing Bushco relentlessly.

            Why are you making up stuff?

            •  i've been up all nite - so (none)
              i'm a little slow here...

              PLEASE tell me your post is snark!

              otherwise, apply the following answers:

              • judith miller
              • nsa spy story sat on for 1 year

              if you are snarking, i apologize.  if you are not, i'm going to bed.
              •  the list of dirt (none)
                the Tmes has come out with in this past month
                would fill up the page.

                Do you read enough to understand when the Times came out with the nsa spy case it influenced a senate vote?

                How do you know that they sat on it for a year?
                There has been no credible proof.   But you just know, don't ya!

                Didn't they fire Judith Miller and let their own writers blast her in the NYT. Or was I hallucinating?

                With anything including this blog, you are going to find imperfections.

                I don't fault  you as a Bush cadet for doin' yer doody.

                •  ok, out of curtesy to a fellow new yorker (none)
                  i will explain this carefully.

                  the new york times has ADMITTED that they held the story and that they received it PRIOR to the 2004 election and chose to sit on the story.

                  the nyt is not the ONLY media outlet to manipulate news by not putting the stories out for the public to decide for themselves.

                  however, we are talking about the nytimes.  the lack of supervision over judith miller was directly responsible for the publishing of erroneous and factually damaging information.  by miller's use of the nytimes as a bully pulpit, she damaged the credibility of the paper.  

                  had there been more stringent oversight - such as an editor who asked for more than one source, who was in tighter control of miller, the times would not be in this position.

                  the nsa story will continue to unfold and as i am very very tired, i am not going into that one.  you've been posting on diaries regarding this story, so you cannot claim ignorance of the controversy surrounding their withholding the information until after the election passed.

                  the new york times holds a position higher than the average newspaper in this nation, thereby holds a greater responsibility for ensuring they are beyond reproach.

                  if you, or i, or any OTHER individual accepts less for their standard, then we might as well place them in the same category as the nypost!

                  one last thought.  rudeness doesn't win arguments.  insults don't win arguments.  new yorkers generally have more class - so i hope you will live up to the standard of new york and the nytimes by refraining from flaming when your arguments fall apart.

                  [yes, having the ability to read hidden comments DOES put things in perspective!]

                  this will be the final answer.

                  •  I didn't know they admitted it (none)
                    and I don't know why they held on to it or excuse it.

                    But the NYT is more self critical and shows more restraint than any paper I've ever seen.

                    It isn't perfect.  But when it's good, it's holy.

                    It has been hammering the administration to the point that their reporter was just rubbed out.

                    What more would you like them to do for you?

                    What have you given your life for lately?

                    I read this paper every day and when it pisses me off, I write a letter and they publish it sometimes.

                    When this blog pisses me off, the inside group here starts a gang bang and calls me a troll.

                    Nothing's perfect, is it?

                    •  thanks for taking the time to really (none)
                      answer me - and not lambast me for being critical of the times!

                      i spent from 1970 until the early 90's in ny and the times was the news bible back then.  i am more angry at the standard sliding than most because of this.

                      i am very pleased that they are finally standing up to the issues and not ignoring the obvious political insanity.

                      what i've given my life for today is the same as yesterday and the same as before... if there is something that needs attention and is within my reach - i "fix" it to the best of my ability.

                      i climb trees to rescue stuck cats, pick up stray dogs, feed hungry folk, listen to those who need ears - if it crosses my sphere, i own the problem.  i live my beliefs, i don't talk about them.

                      i, too, write letters, make calls, express my opinions in detail and respectfully explain WHY i am objecting AND i offer the means to correct the problem.  without suggesting a solution, complaining is often fruitless.  

                      i decided when i was 17 that simply "saying" what i believed wasn't good enough - i had to "live" it - and it is never easy.  it IS worth is, however - since i know from where my universe begins and ends.

                      since i am now in california and out here, life is extremely hard - i don't have the opportunity or the funds to read the times cover to cover daily.  i DO keep up with the major stories - but mostly read overseas papers to find the meat of the stories.  and, yes, the times and wapo are among the most thorough in covering news in this country.  that said, i am still sorely disappointed that judith miller was able to run a white house front from within that veritable institution.  i am also VERY upset with nytimes for not reporting the story of the nsa spying until AFTER the election of 2004.  this is a major story that might very well have changed the direction of the entire world - they had no right to sit on that story.

                      there is a serious problem in the editorial staff at the times at the moment - and to ensure it is addressed, we need to speak up and speak out loudly.

                      as for this blog - it is made up of individuals with many diverse opinions.  lashing out serves little to further discourse.  had you continued to lash out and call me what i consider an offensive flame - that of a bush cadet troll - i would never have engaged you in conversation in the future.  i am not an insider.  i am not an outsider.  i am equal to you and every other poster who comes here with an opinion.  those posters who show respect for the ideas of others, even when they disagree, are the ones i respect.  i don't choose to argue, name call, or insult.  i came the nearest to that with you because i thought you were kidding - then i realized you weren't.  for my condescending tone, i apologise.

                      perhaps, the few times you've been accused at being a troll - you have participated in that scenario by being a wee bit too quick to tell the other posters what to do to amuse themselves.

                      i read your hidden comments and they weren't necessarily that offensive, until you told people where to get off.  that may be why some have decided that you actually ARE a plant.  i don't think so.  i read your diaries.  i see and share your passion.  what i hope you will share with us are your ideas and a little more tolerance.

                      all this said, in what part of the city do you live?  (e/w/uptown/downtown/borough>) i was on 56th between 8th and 9th for years. i really miss ny - i am and will always be a new yorker, no matter where i lay my head.  one day, i'll go back - that is where i'll finish out my life.  it is the best place to live when you are old...

                      until then, give the city all my love!  it is the best place i've ever lived and i will always be a true "new yorker"!

                  •  somebody smarter than me says you're full of shit (none)
                    when the times "admit" they held on to the story for ayear?
                    •  this is getting tiresome. (none)
                      in the future, please do your own research.

                      for the record:

                      from the nation has an article that CLEARLY explains this.  a simple "google" would have given you the same information as here...

                      Consider this: the New York Times says it "delayed publication" of the NSA spying story for a year. The paper says it acceded to White House arguments that publishing the article "could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be-terrorists that they might be under scrutiny."

                      Despite Administration demands though, it was reported in yesterday's Washington Post that the decision by Times editor Bill Keller to withhold the article caused friction within the Times' Washington bureau, according to people close to the paper. Some reporters and editors in New York and in the paper's DC bureau had apparently pushed for earlier publication. In an explanatory statement, Keller issued the excuse that, "Officials also assured senior editors of the Times that a variety of legal checks had been imposed that satisfied everyone involved that the program raised no legal questions." This from a paper, which as First Amendment lawyer Martin Garbus pointed out in a letter to editor "rejected similar arguments when it courageously pub;ished the Pentagon Papers over the government's false objections that it would endanger our foreign policy as well as the lives of individuals." The Times, Garbus went on to argue, "owes its readers more. The Bush Administration's record for truthfulness is not such that one should rely on its often meaningless and vague assertions."

                      one more thing, if you ever make such a statement to me as you did in the title, i will no longer "see" you on this blog, no matter WHAT you have to say!

                      •  be my guest (none)
                        if you don't back up your statements what do you expect?
                        •  uless you read this blog only on (none)
                          rare occassions, it is difficult for me to believe that you have not seen the full discussions of this issue.

                          actually, since you HAVE commented on threads regarding this issue

                          * [new]   Are you a Troll or just an idiot? (0.42 / 14)

                          The Times ran the piece right before the senate was
                          to vote on the patriot act.

                          As a result of the article, the senate went BERSERK.

                          This piece could not have run at a more perfect

                          Why are you people hellbent on spewing crap on the
                          few really fine and influential newspapers in
                          the world?

                          by kentclark on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 11:10:51 AM PST
                          [ Reply to This ]

                              * [new] Let's see (none / 0)

                              Which is a bigger problem? Publishing the story while the Senate was debating a relevant piece of legislation, or the White House asking the Times to sit on it (for a solid year) so as not to affect the outcome of the presidential election?

                              I have to pick the latter.

                              Musing's musings

                              by musing85 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 05:31:39 PM PST
                              [ Parent | Reply to This ] </div</p>

                          i can only consider your comments disingenuous.  btw, i changed the zero to a two because of your acknowledgement of the editorial - however, i still have a nagging feeling i am being played here, therefore, i expect not to see any future posts that you write.  

  •  Shall I go on? (none)
    The Strange Death of the Woman Who Filed a Rape Lawsuit Against Bush


    Bush Biographer JH Hatfield author of the controversial
    book "Fortunate Son," is found dead in an Arkansas hotel room

  •  This reminds me of the recent (none)
    brutal ambush attack, in November, on Emilia DiSanto, chief investigator for committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). Fortunately, DiSanto survived that attack.

    FBI called in on Hill

    The FBI and Capitol Police are investigating the vicious attack of a top Senate staffer at her home last week amid concerns that the assault might be related to her work on the Finance Committee.

    Emilia DiSanto, chief investigator for committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), arrived at her suburban Virginia home after work Wednesday about 6:30 p.m. As she was unloading belongings from her car, a 6-foot-1-inch white man dressed in black struck her repeatedly with an unidentified object believed to be a baseball bat.

    After she screamed to her family inside the house, the assailant fled. DiSanto was transported to Inova Fair Oaks Hospital, where she was treated for significant upper-body injuries. Nine staples were needed to close her head wound.

    DiSanto, who declined to comment, has reported back to work.

    The attack and the possibility that it was motivated by congressional business have made some people anxious on Capitol Hill.

  •  All right!!!!! (3.40)
    This cinches it.......have you people seen Cheney limping around this morning, pretending to have breathing problems???  Isn't it obvious what has happened???  HE'S THE KILLER!!!  He sprained his ankle running from the scene.  And fleeing the crime scene caused his shortness of breath.  I don't think we need homicide detective's to figure this one out, folks.  There's you's THE FUCKING VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES............AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...... .....

    "George Bush is the most brilliant man I have ever met." - Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers

    by dubyaisbrilliant on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:08:24 AM PST

    •  here's a 4... (4.00)
      ... to balance out the 1s. Just because I don't know if your screen name is meant ironically or not, and either way I think it's a hilarious comment.

      Especially if the "ARRGGHH" at the end is supposed to be you being dragged off by Cheney's henchmen.

      -8.25, -6.26 ain't "schadenfreude" if the bastards deserve it. this is infidelica...

      by snookybeh on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:54:09 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Parallels (none)
    In reading about this murder, I found very creepy parallels to the murder in Arlington on July 15th, 2000, of David Butler, an editor for Stars and Stripes, which I believe is still unsolved.

    David and I knew each other from college and were friendly; we had many mutual friends but were a few years apart in school and didn't cross paths very often, either in school or in later years. I don't know anything about his work and have no specific reason to think that his murder or the more recent one are anything but what they seem on the surface, other than the vague statistical oddity of the similarities.

    •  How Bush really killed him (none)
      Because the Bush administration has made such a hash of the war on terror, the police in places like Washington are busy standing around monuments when they should be doing community placing. So the gang bangers are starting to return in gentrified communites like mine that started to gentrify partly because successful community policing efforts were improving security in those areas.

      Obviously, we need to try to prevent terrorist attacks and cope with the ones that occur. I disagree with the people on Daily Kos who seem to be suggesting that we should ignore terrorism completely just because Bush talks about it. But people ought to be figuring out what really works, not wasting police resources by posting too many officers on details that probably won't have much effect on terrorism.

  •  Maybe (none)
    ...this was the next in the series for Chaundra Levy's killer.  He's still on the loose.

    (-5.63,-6.10) "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

    by CyberDem on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:39:16 AM PST

  •  And we call THEM wingnuts? (none)
    It seems to me if I were an enterprising hoodlum the rich part of town is exactly where I'd go for victims. And as for the arguement that they just don't have muggings there, there never used to be a Starbucks next to the cleaners in my neighborhood either, but now there is.

    The reality of the crimes of the Bush junta is appalling enough.  We don't need to make up more to get ourselves motivated.

    •  Starbucks reminds of a so called 'Clinton killing' (none)
      I think it was a Georgetown Starbucks where an ex-intern or friend of Monica's (or something) was amongst 2 or 3 employees murdered after closing and the wingnuts insisted it was a diabolical Clinton Family Evil Enterprise effort to supress testimony in the Starr investigation.  Of course it wasn't.

      It could have been a mugging/murder in this case.  The article sez that this reporter had last been covering the efforts to turn Social Security into another Wall Street till. (A lot of money involved there)  Perhaps he was working on a book?

  •  It was the tire iron (none)
    - just my personal first impression, based upon what the news accounts don't say.
  •  Not so safe (none)
    About 25 years ago the brother of reporter David Halberstam was killed in the same neighborhood while he was walking home.  I was staying there with a friend about the same time, and we left a window unlocked.  That night someone came into the house, stole the TV and a case of beer from the fridge.

    Much as I consider the Bush admin to be a bunch of brownshirts, I think this is simply a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  •  Weird... (none)
    This exact same kind of attack happened to the News Editor of the Springfield News-Sun in Springfield Ohio just before Christmas.  The guy is in a coma.

    Size 7 1/4 Aluminum Picture Hat

    by fishhawk on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 07:47:12 AM PST

  •  just statistics? (none)
    what about WELLSTONE and also HUNTER THOMPSON, as supposedly THOMPSON found prove, towers were detonated!
  •  interesting... (none) many people are writing discriptions of where they live in the comments...
  •  maybe it was a message (none)
    It's too obvious and too risky to try and silence this guy for an article he may have been working on, and ultimately, what does it accomplish except more investigation of what the guy was doing.

    I think there are too many coincidences here for this to be just random though, maybe it was a message. Certain people are getting antsy about their relationship with the media that is falling apart, they are losing control. So a not so subtle message, get back in line reporters, or this is what happens to you.

  •  my deepest family's to Rosenbaum's family (none)
    While we all argue about whether or not Rosenbaum's murder has tin foil connections, it just occurred to me that the human side of this tragedy has gotten lost in the shuffle. Has it occurred to anyone here that a real person with friends and family is gone?

    My deepest sympathies go out to Mr. Rosenbaum's family and friends. I'm sure they'll miss him terribly.

  •  If anything happens to Sy Hersh (none)
    anytime soon, then I'll be sure we're on to something here.

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